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- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Path: FreeNet.Carleton.CA!an171
- From: an171@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Anthony Hill)
- Subject: Re: Anything above 28.8kbs is bosh!
- Message-ID: <DKLCDo.MEC@freenet.carleton.ca>
- Sender: an171@freenet2.carleton.ca (Anthony Hill)
- Reply-To: an171@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Anthony Hill)
- Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
- References: <4c994e$nsm@dub-news-svc-1.compuserve.com>
- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 05:53:48 GMT
-
-
- Markus Hansmair (101321.2700@compuserve.com) writes:
- > Save your money and your nerves! Forget about purchasing a new modem or
- > updating your old one to get more than 28.8 kbs.
- >
- > 1. Modems offering these new transfer rates will be buggy.
- >
- > Remember the trouble that came up when the first V.34 modems were
- > introduced. It took the manufacturers one year to develop rather
- > reliable modems. (This applies not only to USR.) The problem was (is)
- > the modem firmware: Analysing line quality, dynamically adapting to
- > degrading / improving line quality, sophisticated encoding and decoding,
- > etc. make the firmware much more complex than for V.32bis.
-
- The annex to v.34 hardly adds anything that's not already in v.34
- now. That's why all the vendors that have implemented the features of
- this annex have had hardly any problems with their very first firmware.
-
- > Transmission modes with more than 28.8 kbs are achieved by simply
- > increasing the symbol rate. So writing firmware for these new
-
- The annex does NOT add new symbol rates, it allows higher speeds
- for the existing symbol rates.
-
- > 'standards' is possibly not as difficult as developing firmware for a
- > completely new standard like V.34. But I'm sure that the first V.34+ (or
- > V.whatever) modems will be buggy.
-
- They were actualy some of the most reliable v.34 modems on the
- market, and BTW it's not v.34+, v.34bis or anything like that, it's just
- plain old v.34.
-
- > 2. You will hardly ever get more than 28.8 kbs.
- >
- > The maximum transmission rate is limited by a line's bandwidth and
- > signal / noise distance INDEPENDENT OF WHAT CODE IS USED. This is the
- > fundamental statement of coding theory. It's not an opinion, it's proved
- > to be true!
-
- Yes, and it's also been proved that you CAN achieve 33.6 connects
- on some lines around the world, and 31.2 is a LOT more common for two
- reasons (requires less bandwidth OR same bandwidth as 33.6 but without as
- good a signal to noise ratio). Also, the annex to v.34 will let modems
- connect 2400bps faster if your availible bandwidth is the only concern,
- although it won't do anything to help the singal to noise ratio.
-
- > Common telephone lines rarly offer the potential to transmit 28.8 kbs.
-
- In testing well over 50% of the lines in North America could
- support 28.8 connections, in fact good modems can get 28.8 connections
- over about 75% or more of the PSTN. That's not all that rare. Overseas
- the number can vary widely. In some countries the phone lines are
- horrible and no one can get over 24.0kbps or so, while in other countries
- 33.6 is the norm.
-
- > See all the postings in this group complaining about only getting 21.6,
- > 24.0 or 26.4 kbs with a V.34 modem. It's not the modem's fault. The
-
- In some cases it is the modems fault. Check out the brands of
- modems for a while, you'll find that a LOT of the time the people
- complaining about only getting 21.6 or 24.0 connects are those who are
- using Rockwell Glue 'n Go bargin basement type modems. I've owned one of
- these modems and it consistantly connect at lower rates over the same
- phone lines as compared to many other modems. Of course, just because
- you're not getting 28.8 connections doesn't absolutly mean your modems at
- fault by any means. It is quite possible that your phone lines only have
- enough bandwidth to use the 3000 symbol rate. If that's the case, you'll
- connect at a max of 26.4, unelss the connection is between two modems
- using the new annex to v.34 in which case you could connect at a max of
- 28.8 with the 3000 symbol rate.
-
- > lines simply have a slightly higher noise ratio and the modems make the
- > best out of it. This is a common (not an exceptional) situation. If you
- > don't believe this, measure the true transmission rate your modem offers
- > in a real life situation. But it's not easy: Don't believe what the
- > modem reports. They often say 28.8 kbs meaning V.34 transmission was
- > choosen offering the potential of 28.8 kbs.
-
- I have yet to even hear of a modem that would report that it
- connect at 28.8 when it really didn't. Early on there where some modems
- that would connect at 28.8 and then quickly fall back to 26.4 or 24.0, but
- they DID in fact connect at 28.8kbps.
-
- > So don't expect that a V.34+ (or V.whatever) modem breaks the natural
- > laws and offers more than 28.8 kbs. This would need brilliant line
- > quality you hardly ever find in real life.
-
- Well, according to all the owners of 33.6 modems I've talked to in
- this area, 31.2 is the most common speed, with 28.8 being second and 33.6
- being quite rare. Still, 31.2 DOES offer a small increase in performance
- over 28.8.
-
- > 3. V.34+ (or V.whatever) will never be an official standard
-
- The annex to v.34 that adds these speeds will become official in
- March '96. Almost all the technicals details have been worked out by the
- ITU-T, it's mainly just political details left to iron out.
-
- > Due to the above mentioned facts V.34+ will never become an official
- > standard. Why elaborating a new standard that offers no benefits
- > compared to V.34 in real life? V.34+ (or V.whatever) is simply a
- > marketing gag. Standardization organisations have better (or more
- > serious) things to do.
-
- The annex is virtually a standard already (or at least as much of
- a "standard" as any of the other v.xx protocols are). It's not official
- yet, but then again, if you remember back, the first v.34 modems where
- shipped over three months before v.34 was official.
-
- > So don't expect that V.34+ (or V.whatever) becomes widely available.
- > ISPs and BBSs won't adopt a pseudo standard. And if so, don't expect
-
- USR Couriers already have more then half of the market of BBS and
- ISP modem, and USR Sportsters, AT&T Comspheres and Penrils make up another
- nice chunk of them, so the majority of BBSes and ISPs already HAVE addopted
- the annex to v.34... you're too late.
-
- > that the modem of your ISP fully complies with the specifications. Be
- > prepared to problems! And downloading a file 1.5 times (first try
- > failed, then another try) with 33.6 kbs is slower than with 28.8 kbs in
- > one go.
-
- Modem makers would have to be pretty damn incompetant to make
- their 33.6 modems WORSE then their 28.8 modems, and incompetant modem
- makers just don't last long.
-
- Anthony
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- Anthony Hill | an171@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
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